#but ah yes#Mutant And Proud: Unless You Are A Telepath Because Then You’d Better Not
like, I have intense anger toward Erik and Raven about this, but also anger toward the writer/director/etc who seem to want us to feel sympathy for Raven here; seriously, people, yes, Charles can be an utter arse for other reasons, BUT DO YOU NOT SEE THE BIGGER ISSUE
I can’t imagine how absolutely horrifying it is to eventually realize that your sibling has the power to read your mind and control it. Especially when you start noticing how he uses his power to ‘control’ people and situations. At least for me; I would be really sacred. I’m honest. Maybe I’m a chicken-shit? Maybe I’m a heartless fucker? But, I can’t even imagine that and I don’t have a fucking brother. Oh and on top of those powers; he’s overly protective with you.
I just can’t imagine why Raven has to be willing to allow Charles to do whatever he wants with her….I would think the women in the fandom would find this issue between Raven and Charles an X-Men example about men/women. Don’t you see how freaking creepy it is…?
Charles needs Erik to tell him that he’s crossing the line with Raven. Raven had no freedom with Charles.
Charles wants to know why Raven can not stay with him FOREVER?
THAT is fucking creepy and very, very wrong. :shivering: Charles has issues - he turned to drugs and alcohol. And he wants Raven to give up everything SHE WANTS to stay with him? And folks in the fandom find that as an example of ‘brotherly love’? Wow.
If my brother said that to me; I would freak the FUCK out. IF my parents said that to me; I would freak the FUCK out.
How can Raven no freak out? She knows that Charles has the power to make her stay!
Again, I like to think about how I would react in this situation. I can only speak for myself. And I would freak the fuck out too. Brotherly Love doesn’t give someone Carte Blanche.
But there is so much Raven & Eric hatred in the fandom. James McAvoy is their fave. Even James has said that Charles is an asshole with Raven.
The worst still is that Charles “apologizes” and then immediately tries to justify it by …”I just…” Wow. Written as a classic example of Charles possibly turning into an abuser with Raven (IMO) and thank god, Charles realizes it at the end of the film. Thank goodness we later see that Professor X NEVER EVER makes anyone stay if they don’t want to. He never pushes another person or gets preachy and judgmental with others. Even if they knows they are making a mistake. This is the change and learning that Charles Xavier goes through to become Professor X. (again only IMO) I find the Raven/Charles relationship so important. So important discussion about power and relationships - I just can’t dismiss it as Raven just being a ‘brat’. I find THAT very offensive.
I can see how they removed this scene because it is VERY disturbing and it would definitely make (I think) most viewers want Raven to stay the fuck away from Charles and NOT listen to him. IMO
OMG finally a voice of reason. I was despairing looking at the notes. People should really watch the full 3 minute scene, you can see it here in LQ (https://www.facebook.com/jenlawus). Even Logan recognizes how messed up it is how Charles treats Raven. I think this scene is important in that it gives the end scene where Charles finally sees the error in his ways a bit more impact and also the info that Raven doesn’t really hold a grudge against Erik since she would have done the same but ultimately I’m glad it was cut because here we have a prime example of how paternalistic and controlling Charles’ actions towards Raven were and everyone’s response is, POOR CHARLES! RAVEN IS SO MEAN! Ugh, no thank you.